15 Abortions in 15 YEARS - Page 2

rockford2 · 11-05-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by texanne

I think she is disgusting...period. I don't want to hear her story...period. I have just had it with people writing books about their negative behaviors as if it helps someone. I don't think she has helped anyone but herself....financially.

What IS all of this about? To teach somebody not to have one abortion every 15 years?

Can somebody tell me about the child who might have witnessed physical abuse, maybe rape, a killing and whatever horrors there are outside their home and winds up to be a respected human being.

Nobody ever puts a gun to our heads to make us do something that we know isn't right! Patricia Hearst already tried that and it failed...

WE make our own decisions and this lady coming out with this information means nothing to me and would mean nothing to me when I was much younger. She made her decision and like somebody stated on this thread, it's appalling, but after 15 abortions there is nothing to say. I only wish she could have found help after the 1st abortion.

SaberGal · 11-05-2009, 11:54 PM

I am pro-life because I truly believe life begins at conception. However, I am not the typical "profiled" pro-lifer because I do not believe in many of the tactics used by many in the pro-life community to further their position. For me the abortion issue is a matter of the heart - no amount of yelling or protesting has ever changed a person's heart on a matter. Not to mention the extremist wing of the so-called pro-life community (bombings, shootings, etc) that are equally appalling. I have many friends who have made the decision to have abortions (multiple ones at that) and I would not ever attempt to pass judgment on them and love them no matter what. Judgment is for one more worthy than myself.

However....I do find it interesting that people who support abortion rights find this woman's story so appalling - if there is truly nothing wrong with abortion, if it is truly just a mere tissue mass or "fetus" we are talking about, what is the big deal? In principle, what is the difference between 1 or 15?

downunder · 11-06-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SaberGal

I am pro-life because I truly believe life begins at conception. However, I am not the typical "profiled" pro-lifer because I do not believe in many of the tactics used by many in the pro-life community to further their position. For me the abortion issue is a matter of the heart - no amount of yelling or protesting has ever changed a person's heart on a matter. Not to mention the extremist wing of the so-called pro-life community (bombings, shootings, etc) that are equally appalling. I have many friends who have made the decision to have abortions (multiple ones at that) and I would not ever attempt to pass judgment on them and love them no matter what. Judgment is for one more worthy than myself.

However....I do find it interesting that people who support abortion rights find this woman's story so appalling - if there is truly nothing wrong with abortion, if it is truly just a mere tissue mass or "fetus" we are talking about, what is the big deal? In principle, what is the difference between 1 or 15?

To me, there is no difference.

She is entitled to have as many as she needs. What worries me, however, is there appears to be a different agenda here. We know that the abortion debate is very passionate for some people and in my opinion she is either trouble making or money making, using a very emotive topic.

What she has done is not illegal, some would say its not even immoral. So why write a book about it, that is likely to be very inflammatory and also potentially emotionally damaging to the children she has given birth to?

Jute · 11-06-2009, 01:40 AM

I have a real problem with what she has to say; the book may simply be another desperate attempt to resolve feelings that she is far from having dealt with.

In her hypothesis, she compares multiple abortions as the result of conscious effort (becoming pregnant) to cutting, anorexia, and bulimia - saying that they are all forms of trying to control one's life.

Cutting, anorexia, and bulimia involve acts that harm oneself - only the individual is directly involved. Having an abortion requires the creation of another entity - whether viewed as a piece of tissue or the beginnings of a child doesn't matter - for no reason other than destroying it.

I don't have the training to evaluate what is really going on, but I do see a huge flaw in the most basic element of what she writes about.

JMO

Jute · 11-06-2009, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by downunder

To me, there is no difference.

She is entitled to have as many as she needs. What worries me, however, is there appears to be a different agenda here. We know that the abortion debate is very passionate for some people and in my opinion she is either trouble making or money making, using a very emotive topic.

What she has done is not illegal, some would say its not even immoral. So why write a book about it, that is likely to be very inflammatory and also potentially emotionally damaging to the children she has given birth to?

I agree. I doubt that this is a common problem that will help many people; IMO, a well-kept journal would have a better choice.

Her children are very likely to be the ones who suffer as the result of this book being published; first, because they will almost certainly have a struggle with their own existence at some point in their lives, second (and hopefully less damaging) there may be people who read the book and this will unfairly reflect on her children. It's not uncommon for people to punish the children for their parents' behavior.

rockford2 · 11-06-2009, 12:19 PM

However....I do find it interesting that people who support abortion rights find this woman's story so appalling - if there is truly nothing wrong with abortion, if it is truly just a mere tissue mass or "fetus" we are talking about, what is the big deal? In principle, what is the difference between 1 or 15?[/QUOTE]

Well I am oneof those people who support abortion rights and for good reason. One being that there are too many kids being born and not from or out of love but merly seen as 'meal tickets.' We all know of these kids because they are the ones that nobody is watching and they are in the news for being left home alone while Mom goes shopping and the other numerous heart wretching stories we watch on tv or hear on the radio. Or the children that are burned, beaten, starved and heck knows what else.

And then there are the women who DO use protection but for some reason wind up pregnant and feel they cannot bring a child into this world. They have that choice of whether they want to give that child away for adoption and then spend their lives worrying if they made the right decision or maybe fear of realizing that they would need to bring up the child alone gives them that decision to terminate the pregnancy. But if I read this story correctly, this woman that the story focused on said something about being addicted so that is another whole story in itself. And yes, it IS her right, but when she came out with a book and promoted the book it gave everyone a chance to have an opinion of what SHE chose to do and I cannot fathom, myself, having had 15 abortions. As somebody already posted it's the kids, her kids, that will need to deal with this some day. I would imagine that they will need to deal with this. And if it does come to fruition that there are many others out there like this woman, then maybe she did help others. Only time will tell.

11-05-2009, 11:54 PM	#12
SaberGal Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Just outside Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,682	I am pro-life because I truly believe life begins at conception. However, I am not the typical "profiled" pro-lifer because I do not believe in many of the tactics used by many in the pro-life community to further their position. For me the abortion issue is a matter of the heart - no amount of yelling or protesting has ever changed a person's heart on a matter. Not to mention the extremist wing of the so-called pro-life community (bombings, shootings, etc) that are equally appalling. I have many friends who have made the decision to have abortions (multiple ones at that) and I would not ever attempt to pass judgment on them and love them no matter what. Judgment is for one more worthy than myself. However....I do find it interesting that people who support abortion rights find this woman's story so appalling - if there is truly nothing wrong with abortion, if it is truly just a mere tissue mass or "fetus" we are talking about, what is the big deal? In principle, what is the difference between 1 or 15? __________________ http://whatsayyou.net/ http://caught.net/ "The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government." Thomas Paine

11-06-2009, 01:40 AM	#14
Jute Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,137	I have a real problem with what she has to say; the book may simply be another desperate attempt to resolve feelings that she is far from having dealt with. In her hypothesis, she compares multiple abortions as the result of conscious effort (becoming pregnant) to cutting, anorexia, and bulimia - saying that they are all forms of trying to control one's life. Cutting, anorexia, and bulimia involve acts that harm oneself - only the individual is directly involved. Having an abortion requires the creation of another entity - whether viewed as a piece of tissue or the beginnings of a child doesn't matter - for no reason other than destroying it. I don't have the training to evaluate what is really going on, but I do see a huge flaw in the most basic element of what she writes about. JMO __________________ "Every cause has its effect; every effect has its cause; everything happens according to the law;..nothing escapes the law." All comments are my opinion only. I take full responsibility for my opinions and behavior.

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11-06-2009, 12:19 PM	#16
rockford2 Super Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,429	However....I do find it interesting that people who support abortion rights find this woman's story so appalling - if there is truly nothing wrong with abortion, if it is truly just a mere tissue mass or "fetus" we are talking about, what is the big deal? In principle, what is the difference between 1 or 15?[/QUOTE] Well I am oneof those people who support abortion rights and for good reason. One being that there are too many kids being born and not from or out of love but merly seen as 'meal tickets.' We all know of these kids because they are the ones that nobody is watching and they are in the news for being left home alone while Mom goes shopping and the other numerous heart wretching stories we watch on tv or hear on the radio. Or the children that are burned, beaten, starved and heck knows what else. And then there are the women who DO use protection but for some reason wind up pregnant and feel they cannot bring a child into this world. They have that choice of whether they want to give that child away for adoption and then spend their lives worrying if they made the right decision or maybe fear of realizing that they would need to bring up the child alone gives them that decision to terminate the pregnancy. But if I read this story correctly, this woman that the story focused on said something about being addicted so that is another whole story in itself. And yes, it IS her right, but when she came out with a book and promoted the book it gave everyone a chance to have an opinion of what SHE chose to do and I cannot fathom, myself, having had 15 abortions. As somebody already posted it's the kids, her kids, that will need to deal with this some day. I would imagine that they will need to deal with this. And if it does come to fruition that there are many others out there like this woman, then maybe she did help others. Only time will tell.